This is one of a series on this blog of some of more memorable comments made by witnesses and MPs at an inquiry into the National Programme for IT [NPfIT] by the Health Committee of the House of Commons.
The witnesses at the first hearing on 26 April 2007 were:
A list of who is on the committee is at the end of this article.
At the Health Committee hearing Martyn Thomas said: “One of the things that concerns me about the programme is that there is no definition of what is an acceptable level of security breach.
“You [the committee] heard Mr Granger [Richard Granger, head of the NPfIT] this morning saying clearly that no system would be ultimately secure and, therefore, he accepted that there would be security breaches in his systems; but I have asked him directly whether he has targets for what would be an unacceptable level of security breaches, and he says, ‘No, I have not.’
“That seems to me to be a mistake, because if you do not know how tolerable it is for a security breach to occur, you do not know how much effort you need to put into building systems that are adequately secure to meet your targets because you do not have the target. So what do you do?
“Do you go for perfection, which is certainly going to be unachievable but, in any case, is going to lead you down the path of spending vastly more money than you need to have spent; or do you take whatever level of security comes out of the way that you are going to be building the systems within the budget, which may lead to a level of security breaches that turn out to be unacceptable in practice and cause you to have to take the systems off-line”.
Jim Dowd MP then asked Thomas: “But your conclusion on the inevitability of a breach is not based on any knowledge of the systems and the architecture that BT have employed but really on a reductive process of experience of previous systems?”
Thomas replied: “Absolutely. Nobody outside BT, as far as I am aware, has any insight into the detailed architecture and security policies for the systems they are building. It is confidential.”
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Membership of the House of Commons’ Health Committee
Kevin Barron, Labour, Rother Valley – Chairman
Mr David Amess, Conservative, Southend West
Charlotte Atkins, Labour, Staffordshire Moorlands
Mr Ronnie Campbell, Labour, Blyth Valley
Jim Dowd, Labour, Lewisham West
Sandra Gidley, Liberal Democrat, Romsey
Stewart Jackson, Conservative, Peterborough
Dr Doug Naysmith, Labour/Co-operative, Bristol North West
Mike Penning, Conservative, Hemel Hempstead
Dr Howard Stoate, Labour, Dartford
Dr Richard Taylor, Independent, Wyre Forest