April 2009 Archives

The next stop on your blog map should be..

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We're finding loads of good sites that we can all find use for, notably The Next Women. James got me the info on this, and it's a fascinating read.

Also worth a look is CEO Seeks Startup. Fellow ladygeeks, where have you been?

I think we are heading towards a new dawn.. sounds cliched, I know, but I think we have reached our tipping point, where we don't have to feel like we are in the background. What a shame it had to wait til 2009?

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Bitchbuzz founder discusses the women in IT issue

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Watch this video interview with Cate Sevilla, founder of bitchbuzz, on women in IT and why so few women work in the IT industry.

Grab them while they're young says Cate... watch to find out more. Video filmed at the Geek n Rolla tech start-up event in Londonl. 

Why the Telegraph is wrong on women in IT

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Reading the half-baked arguments of the Telegraph's Milo Yiannopoulos is both depressing and exasperating. His "discrimination does not exist" blog can be summed up in one statement: men good, women bad.

He says women should stop whinging that they get a raw deal in tech, because IT careers should be based on merit. Whinging undermines the achievements of those women who are already succeeding in technology. So if more women were technically gifted, more women would go into the sector. It's that simple - the reason there aren't many women in IT is that they're naturally just not very good at it. It's an argument I've heard before, although generally in less stark language and usually by some old fat bloke in Claridges or Parliament.

The problem I have with Yiannopoulos' carping is that he makes the limiting assumption that merit, or ability, is the only thing that matters when it comes to doing well in IT. Either he is wilfully and deliberately twisting the point women are trying to make, or he is truly misunderstanding it and genuinely believes what he is saying. If the former, he's probably doing it to increase interest in his blog, and at least, I suppose, he is stoking debate. If the latter, he's just a bit thick.

Before the horse gets so high I fall off, here's his first point. He appeared on a panel discussing the issue of women in technology at the Geekn'Rolla event, hosted by TechCrunch.
 
"Well, what a lot of fuss my impromptu appearance on the Just A Girl panel at yesterday's Geek'n Rolla caused. Whinging about what a raw deal girls get in tech is not only rubbish, I said, it's also massively patronising to other girls."

If only all of us could be spectacular enough to cause a fuss among hysterical girls with a little impromptu appearance. What a clever boy he must be. He doesn't really go on to explain how, exactly, wanting to boost the number of women in IT is patronising to the women already there. The argument is unclear and illogical. And from the testimony of colleagues who attended the event, there was no "whinging" done at all - just intelligent debate.

It's also unclear, but simultaneously hugely patronising, why he refers to "girls" in IT. As far as I'm aware, there aren't that many female software programmers who are under 18. You never hear about boys in IT. It may seem like a small point but the use of "girls" instead of "women" implies immaturity and a lack of experience, and should be stamped out. Incidentally, he also refers to women who do well in IT as "brilliant chicks". So if the bird analogy is extended, does that make him a brilliant cock?

His next point, printed as a transcript from the discussion:
"Milo: Finds this discussion patronising to women. There are reasons which have nothing to do with prejudice why women are not more involved in the tech scene. Do we need to change the game? [...] No! We shouldn't be apologising for having fewer women in a sector in which men naturally perform better [...] We need a serious, systematic study that looks at the actual reason why women are not in tech, rather than tiptoeing around each other with anecdotal evidence."

The main sentence here is the third: "We shouldn't be apologising for having fewer women in a sector in which men naturally perform better". This is just offensive - and, incidentally, patronising to women who have worked hard to get where they are in IT, and who now hear they're "naturally" less good than their male colleagues. He offers no evidence showing men perform better in technical realms than women, and doesn't explain his reasoning. He seems to think it's true just because he says it is. There is no evidence that men are naturally better suited to IT than women. The lack of women in the sector is unrelated to women's ability - it is down to other factors.

Yiannopoulos goes on to call for a "serious systematic study" into why there are not more women in technology. This is actually one of his more positive points - at least he seems to be acknowledging that there are reasons why women don't choose IT that are not related to their "lack of ability". But if he'd bothered to do a Google search he'd realise there's large amounts of research already available.

Next: "Leisa to Milo: I think you're implying that the reason there are more men in tech demonstrates that they're the best people for the job. What about people who are as talented but can't make the same commitment because of family commitments?
Milo: It's not fair to suggest that men don't make sacrifices when they choose to work 20-hour days."


I'm amazed he chose to reprint this exchange. His point is totally unrelated to what Leisa says. She's talking about people who are unable to work 20 hour days because they need to care for children or other family members. She's not suggesting men don't work hard or make sacrifices for their job. She's saying that some women are simply unable to, however much they might want to. Men are often able to have children, but still put in the hours at work to enable them to succeed - they are sacrificing time with their family, yes, but they have the choice to do so. Many women don't have that choice. The burden of care still usually falls on women, which often gives them less freedom to pursue career goals.

He adds, "Here's the thing: tech is an absolutely brilliant place for women to work. They are welcomed as in perhaps no other industry - especially by men."
 

This may be true - again, he gives no evidence or explanation, but it's true that tech is a great place for women to work, and that they are (usually) welcomed by men. But that doesn't change the fact that they are under-represented, and that there must be reasons for this.

"As Joshua March pointed out yesterday, since most start-ups are founded by developers, and most developers are men, it's natural that a lot of the CEOs on the scene are male. But the tech scene is much bigger than the startups themselves: there's an entire ecosystem of VCs, PRs and journalists. Many of these jobs are done by girls. As Paul Walsh puts it: "The women who want to work in technology are working in technology." (Read his blog post on the subject, "Manufactured anger over the lack of women in tech")
If those women don't "identify" as women in tech, and prefer to call themselves PR girls or journalists, well... whose fault is that? It's not as if they won't be accepted into the community - quite the reverse."

It's not totally clear what point he's making here - it might that there are more women in IT than we think, because of the number of female tech PRs and journalists. These are relevant roles, but I can safely say, being a female tech journalist, that writing about IT is not the same as working in IT. I know nothing about programming or designing a website. I did degrees in economics, journalism and philosophy, and I came from a local newspaper, not IBM. The tech PRs I've spoken to (male and female) have similarly non-technical backgrounds. This doesn't mean they don't play an important role, but the argument we're having should be focussed on the number of women in technical and IT managerial roles, who are linked to the IT industry in a much more direct way. Otherwise, the implication is that men "do things" - they manage teams, they write code, they start businesses. While women write press releases about it.
 
"The question posed yesterday was: how do we get more women into the tech sector? That's entirely the wrong question. We need to find the best candidates for each job. Gender doesn't come into it."

Absolutely: we need to find the best candidate for each job. Gender doesn't come into it - until you realise that many of the best candidates are women, who are not going for these jobs. Why? There are a multitude of answers. It starts in school, where technology and other scientific subjects are subtly, sub-consciously, presented as things that boys do. It continues into adolescence, where girls read magazines telling them how to look nicer, while boys' interests are able to roam far wider. There is plenty of excellent work looking at why girls don't choose IT at school - notably by e-skills, which is also working to get more young women interested.
 
If girls do grow up and decide to go into IT, they don't "whinge". They work hard, as do men, but they do notice that they're the only woman in their team, for instance, or they're one of about 10 women at a networking event for 150 people. I doubt Yiannopoulos has ever tried to imagine what it feels like to be in a minority at work, but it can be alienating and frustrating. It's difficult to get a promotion if you're not on the same wavelength as your boss, or worse, if you're constantly patronised or disregarded when opportunities come up.
 
Ciara Byrne makes a good comment underneath Yiannopoulos's blog, saying, "Working in an environment where you are always the only woman (apart from the secretary) does get wearing and you always feel like an outsider to some degree. While positive discrimination is not the answer, creating an environment which is more female-friendly would help."

That is the point women are trying to make - they're not anti-men, and they're not calling for special treatment, they're just trying to describe their own experiences and think about how they could help more women get involved in the sector. It's obvious that there are plenty of excellent female technicians and IT managers around: the problem is that they make up just 15% of the industry, and there should be more. The caveman proponents of "men good, women bad" arguments are getting increasingly lonely as more and more men decide mixed teams are more successful, but there's still a long way to go.

Carol and the f-bomb

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Carol Bartz, the cannot-really-now-be-classed-as-new CEO at Yahoo! caused a few ruffles in the feathers of Gawker and Techcrunch yesterday, when she dropped the f-bomb at the conference call for the profits report on the still ailing search company.

Even the headlines from these sites mentioned the 700 job losses the company would have to endure after they had mentioned the use of a swear.

Why? Well I think it's cause she is a woman, and a woman uttering a profanity in a public place or event is still somewhat of a social dearth apparently. They obviously haven't walked down the street behind me for any length of time.

Let's not bother to take into account that Carol Bartz is a strong woman, who has been acknowledged throughout the industry as a CEO who can get the job done (sometimes this is even mentioned without the context of her gender), and is obviously trying to pull a company up by it's bootstraps at a very difficult time.

Personally I could care less if she either dropped the f-bomb (means she is passionate), but the attention the baying boy media is paying to the fact that she is daring to be forthright and passionate.

Is this the day and age to be caring if a woman dares to speak out, or is this a case of the boys not liking that a woman can be strong enough to act in a ball breaking manner?

Had a boss like Bartz? Tell us about it..  





 
At TechCrunch Europe's Geek n Rolla event yesterday (21st April), there was a session that asked why there's not more women at the forefront of tech start-ups?

A lively debate followed which was stimulated somewhat by Milo Yiannopoulos, tech blogger for the Daily Telegraph, who dismissed the debate as insulting to women.

His jist was that women may in fact be worse at tech than men and hence why they are under- represented. Searching for other reasons, such as the usual social and cultural ones, was approaching the problem from wrong angle.

In fact Milo wanted more research to find out how big the problem actually is, if there is one at all.

This was a controversial statement, I suspect some what deliberately so, and was ridiculed by the female panel (comprised of Cate Sevilla, founder of women lifestyle network BitchBuzz, user experience consultant Leisa Reichelt, Sophie Cox of Worldeka.com, Zuzanna Pasierbinska-Wilson, of Huddle.net, and Nacera Benfedda, director of product at Viadeo.)

Of course, there can be no doubt that women are under-represented in the tech sector - an earlier post by Rebecca on this blog shows that women clearly make up less than a quarter of the workforce.....that's under-representation on a massive scale.

But why? This is the thorny question.

Tech suffers from a poor image, it doesn't have sex appeal etc, but with the growth of PC ownership, social networking and gaming amongst both girls and boys will, I think, confine this issue to the dustbin in time.

Whereas image may be less of barrier, other factors could be having a bigger bearing and career choices are often unwittingly restricted by students choice of A levels.

It is well know that there has been a massive growth in students taking humanities, whereas science and maths numbers have dwindled.

Maybe the battleground for the tech sector is in the school playground and not in the workplace?

Certainly this was the view of Cate Sevilla, who we interview on video. This interview will be posted on this blog soon.

So a final thought: technology needs to impress and enthuse all school kids (both girls and boys) that its a great and rewarding career and encourage them to sit the right A levels that will be useful to them at university. (And this advice is coming from a Geography graduate, so who the hell am I to preach!)    



 

Fascinating interview with MIT professor and Turing Award winner Barbara Liskov over at Silicon.com. Liskov starts off by explaining how her award-winning research into data abstraction made its way into widely used programming languages such as C++ and Java, but the really interesting stuff comes in the second and third pages, where she talks about her thoughts on privacy in the cloud, AI, the implications of multi-core processing, and finally, her thoughts on why women are under-represented in IT:

"I don't believe [it] has to do with basic abilities but I do think it has a lot to do with the way that our society is - what we think is appropriate for women to do [and] what we think is appropriate for men to do. I also think in the case of computers that the way computers [are seen as geeky] - the whole notion of the nerd sitting at the computer by himself or playing a violent game is also a turn off for girls. That's probably another reason why girls aren't going into computer science.

I do think it's mostly a problem before they get to college - if they get to college and they still are open-minded enough to be interested and they didn't cut themselves off by taking the necessary science and math ahead of time then I think at least they aren't going to hit the glass ceiling until they get quite far along."

Course: Managing Maternity for Women in IT (London, 24 April). One-day workshop from the Women in Technology network, aiming to help women about to depart on maternity leave, or returning from it, to manage their careers together with motherhood.

City women face pay shocking pay gap. Initial findings from the Equality and Human Rights Commission's report into the financial sector reveal pay gaps of up to 60%, suggesting a pretty impenetrable glass ceiling. The inquiry's final report will be out later this year. 

 

Catalina McGregor is the founder and chair of the Cabinet Office CIO/CTO Council Green ICT Delivery Group. She was the guest speaker at last month's CW500 Club meeting. In case you missed it - and for those who aren't among the 500 - you can watch her being interviewed here by our web editor, James Garner, on policy and greening IT.

Anecdotal evidence doesn't stand up to much scrutiny. So for the launch of this blog I'd hoped to get some substantiated figures concerning women's current representation among the IT workforce. Well, better late than never! The results are now in, thanks to the UK Resource Centre for Women in SET, who have recently relaunched their online statistics provision

The table here shows the numbers of women and men represented in two key areas of the IT industry workforce in the UK in 2008.

ICT professionals**        
 Age Female Male Total % Female
16-24 4,695* 22,792 27,487 17.1
25-34 24,097 146,961 171,058 14.1
35-44 21,433 125,657 147,090 14.6
45-54 13,281 73,155 86,436 15.4
55-64 2,571 22,995 25,566 10.1
All 66,077 391,560 457,637 14.4
IT service delivery occupations***        
 Age Female Male Total % Female
16-24 4,404 22,967 27,371 16.1
25-34 15,969 45,763 61,732 25.9
35-44 12,702 37,197 49,899 25.5
45-54 8,919 23,859 32,778 27.2
55-64 1,862 6,438 8,300 22.4
All 43,856 136,224 180,080 24.4

 

The figures are taken from the "SET occupations by gender and age group in the UK, 2008" spreadsheet, and the original data was sourced by UKRC from the Office for National Statistics; Quarterly Labour Force Survey, January - December, 2008.

I've never had the experience of being the lone woman in a department during my career - in publishing I'd guess that it's a pretty rare occurrence. But given my roles have often entailed a lot of work on website / software development (albeit from the business or content side of the fence rather than the technical side) I've certainly been the lone woman in a fair few meetings. And the figures seem to bear out my impressions - women are still a bit of a rarity in ICT. 

* Figures in italics added in by me, as the ONS apparently doesn't include numbers that fall below a certain threshold, and the UKRC spreadsheet didn't explicitly include percentages. But the maths ain't that hard to do.

** ICT Professionals = IT strategy and planning professionals + Software professionals

*** IT Service Delivery Occupations = IT operations technicians + IT user support technicians 

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