NPfIT minister reveals Lorenzo costs and payments to BT and CSC

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Mike O'Brien, the minister in charge of the NPfIT NHS IT scheme, has replied to questions put by Conservative MP Richard Bacon who sits on the Public Accounts Committee. These are his questions and O'Brien's answers:

NHS: Computer Software

Mr. Bacon: To ask the Secretary of State for Health how much local service providers have been paid for the (a) set-up costs and (b) running costs of each of the Lorenzo systems deployed in NHS trusts; and what his latest estimate is of the average cost per site of deploying the Lorenzo software system. [299006]

Mr. Mike O'Brien: The average agreed deployment charge per site for full deployment of all bundles of service of the Lorenzo software system, when complete, is £6.468 million.  The total of payments made to the local service provider, to 30 September 2009, for deployment (set-up) activity to date for Lorenzo products is £434,400. In the same period, service charge (running cost) payments have totalled £27,117.

Mr. Bacon: To ask the Secretary of State for Health what his most recent estimate is of the highest number of live concurrent users of the Lorenzo software system at NHS Bury (a) at any one time and (b) on any one day. [299192]

Mr. Mike O'Brien: As at 9 November 2009, the highest number of live concurrent users logged into the Lorenzo software system at the NHS Bury Primary Care Trust (PCT) at any one time is 93. This occurred on the day the PCT went live with the system, on 3 November 2009.


NHS: Information and Communications Technology

<Mr. Bacon: To ask the Secretary of State for Health what the projected lifetime costs are in respect of each contractor under the National Programme for IT in the NHS; and how much each such contractor had been paid on the latest date for which figures are available. [299189]

Mr. Mike O'Brien: Relevant information is contained in the following table.

National programme for IT by key elements: Projected lifetime costs and expenditure to 31 March 2009

£ million

Core contracts

Projected lifetime costs( 1)

Expenditure to 31 March 2009( 1)







North East






North West and West Midlands






<N3 Network



Choose and Book



Amount retained by Accenture(2)



1. Figures in the two columns are not directly comparable. The projected lifetime costs are shown at 2004-05 prices, and final outturn will be higher due to inflation in subsequent years. Those for expenditure to 31 March 2009 are resource outturn figures.
2. In 2006, Accenture made arrangements to voluntarily novate the company's contract to another existing supplier under the programme. Of the £179 million Accenture had received to that point the company retained £110 million for work completed. £52 million represents the value, for accounting purposes, of moneys repaid as at 31 March 2009.

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